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Translating Manee: Part 2

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And… we’re back. Back to translating more of the Manee book, of course! We will continue right where we left off and keep moving along slowly but surely.

Remember, this is a marathon and not a sprint. Picking up pieces little by little in this (blogging) environment is much better than trying to ram 10,000 details and definitions down your throat. Don’t try to get everything in one sitting. Take away what you can and internalize it; then, go back and pick up what you didn’t get the first time. Constant review and reinforcement is the best way to learn a language.

When we last left Manee, she was accompanying her mom to the market. Let’s see what happens next. Here is the text for the next paragraph:

แม่ถามราคา และเลือกซื้อแต่ของดีที่ราคาไม่แพงเกินไป แม่ซื้อผ้า หวี สบู่ และของกินหลายอย่าง มีเกลือ มะนาว ปลาทู ไข่และไก่ แม่จะซื้อหมูกับเนื้อด้วยแต่ไม่มีขาย เพราะวันนั้นเป็นวันพระ มานีเห็นผลไม้น่ากินหลายอย่าง มีเงาะ ลำไย น้อยหน่า จึงขอให้แม่ซื้อเงาะ

As we did in the first lesson (and will continue to do in all subsequent lessons) we’ll break it all down separately.

แม่ถามราคา

/mɛ̂ɛ tǎam raa-kaa/
(Mom “to ask” price)
Mom asked the price,

และเลือกซื้อแต่ของดีที่ราคาไม่แพงเกินไป

/lɛ́ lʉ̂ak sʉ́ʉ dtɛ̀ɛ kɔ̌ɔng dii tîi raa-kaa mâi-pɛɛng gəən-bpai/
(and choose “to buy” but/only thing good place price “not expensive” “too much”)
and chose to buy only good things that aren’t too expensive.

(Thanks to Simon for the help on this one.)

The use of ของ threw me the first few times I saw it, because I had only equated it with a possessive form – someone owning something. But, in this case it means “thing” as in any object.

I believe แต่ is infrequently used as “only,” so my translation may be a bit off here. But, it seems to provide the best interpretation of the intended meaning.

แม่ซื้อผ้า

/mɛ̂ɛ sʉ́ʉ pâa/
(Mom “to buy” clothes)
Mom bought clothes

Without any time indicator it’s hard to say for sure if the action is intended to be in present or past tense, but it seems to me that past tense is the most appropriate in this case.

หวี สบู่ และของกินหลายอย่าง

/wǐi sà-bùu lɛ́ kɔ̌ɔng-gin lǎai-yàang/
(comb soap and food “many varieties”)
comb, soap, and many varieties of food.

The two sentences actually combine together. Remember that there are no punctuation marks like commas in Thai writing, so you need to look for certain clues; in this case, having small words/phrases separated by spaces is a good indication of a list of items. The two parts together translate as:

Mom bought clothes, a comb, soap, and many varieties of food.

มีเกลือ มะนาว ปลาทู ไข่และไก่

/mii glʉa má-naao bplaa-tuu kài lɛ́ gài/
(have salt lime mackerel egg and chicken)
They have salt, lime, mackerel, eggs, and chicken.

แม่จะซื้อหมูกับเนื้อด้วยแต่ไม่มีขาย

/mɛ̂ɛ jà sʉ́ʉ mǔu gàp nʉ́a dûai dtɛ̀ɛ mâi mii kǎai/
(Mom will buy pork and beef also but not have sell)
Mom will buy pork and beef, too, but they are not for sale

กับ is another word that threw me for a loop early on. It’s literally translation is “with,” but it’s used with lists to mean “and.” For example, “Josh with Joe went to the market” is the implied meaning (or even “Josh went to the market with Joe” is better English), but when translated we say “Josh and Joe went to the market.” Don’t get too caught up in this; just try to use this as an opportunity to think like a Thai.

เพราะวันนั้นเป็นวันพระ

/prɔ́ wan nán bpen wan-prá/
(because day this is “Buddhist Sabbath”)
Because this day is a holy day.

The above two sentences go together as well:

Mom will buy pork and beef, too, but they are not for sale because today is a holy day.

มานีเห็นผลไม้น่ากินหลายอย่าง

/maa-nii hěn pǒn-lá-mái nâa-gin lǎai-yàang/
(Manee “to see” fruit delicious “many varieties”)
Manee sees many varieties of delicious fruit.

มีเงาะ ลำไย น้อยหน่า

/mii ngɔ́ lam-yai nɔ́ɔi-nàa/
(“to have” rambutan longan “sugar apple”)
They have rambutan, longan, and sugar apples.

จึงขอให้แม่ซื้อเงาะ

/jʉng kɔ̌ɔ-hâi mɛ̂ɛ sʉ́ʉ ngɔ́/
(Therefore/so “Please” mom buy rambutan)
So Manee asked Mom to please buy rambutan.

Because Manee was already listed as the subject of the paragraph, it’s implied that she is still the speaker since no one else was mentioned. So, it’s okay to include her name again in the translation.

That’s it. A pretty straightforward translation with, unfortunately, not a ton of grammatical quirks that needed to be addressed. But, at the very least you can work on your writing, reading, pronunciation, and learning any vocabulary that you didn’t know. It is a marathon, after all…

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10 Responses to “Translating Manee: Part 2”

  1. Simon says:

    Hi Josh, nice work with the translation. One thing I’d like to point out is that the two sentences; และเลือกซื้อแต่ของดีที่ราคา ไม่แพงเกินไป, should be joined together and made into one; และเลือกซื้อแต่ของดีที่ราคาไม่แพงเกินไป, “and choose to buy only good things that aren’t too expensive”.

    Good luck with the rest of the translation… you’ve probably covered about 385 yards, another 26 miles to go!!!

  2. Josh says:

    Thanks so much, Simon. I’ll make that correction now. And you’re not kidding about the 26 miles. Feels more like a triathlon.

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  4. Jan says:

    > A pretty straightforward translation with, unfortunately, not a ton of grammatical quirks that needed to be addressed.
    Phew! I was actually happy to be able to comprehend the gist of this paragraph before going onto your explanation – upon where I scolded myself for not remembering vocab which I’ve seen lots of times and should know by now.

    I’m happy this paragraph had a lot of conjunctions too. Thanks for your excellent posts Josh.

  5. Josh says:

    Thank you for visiting, Jan!

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  7. KrisWillems says:

    มีเกลือ มะนาว ปลาทู ไข่และไก่ probably refers to the food mom bought and not to the food they sell.

    ผ้า means cloth (that you buy per meter) and not clothes (that you dress).

    แม่ซื้อผ้า หวี สบู่ และของกินหลายอย่าง มีเกลือ มะนาว ปลาทู ไข่และไก่

    Mother both cloth, a comb and many kinds of food: there is salt, lime, mackerel, egg and chicken.

  8. Nick says:

    You should use present tense for this paragraph. From sub-meaning of this paragraph.
    The author didn’t explain what WAS happened, but she bring us to be with Manee and explaining what’s happenning in Manee’s mind while she shopping and what’s she doing.

    Keyword is เห็น when use in this paragraph. That tell us it’s present tense.

    p.s. sorry for my broken English.

  9. Nick says:

    Mom will buy pork and beef, too, but they are not for sale because today is a holy day.

    This sentence should be

    Mom want to buy pork and beef, but there are not sell today because today is holy day.

    ‘วันนั้น’ is a little bit complex word. Normally it’s mean ‘that day’ (in the past).

    But in this paragraph “เพราะวันนั้นเป็นวันพระ” is author’s words speak to readers via Manee’s thinking.
    (Why I know? ..I can’t explain, it’s Thai sense)

    so ‘วันนั้น’ in this paragraph is mean ‘Today’.

    ——————————————

    ‘They have’ rambutan, longan, and sugar apples.
    –> ‘There are’…..

    ——————————————

    “So Manee asked Mom to please buy rambutan.”

    Don’t worry you don’t need ‘so’ and ‘please’ in this sentence.
    ‘จึงขอ’ are for manner and complete the sentence you can use ‘and’ to complete this sentence.

    ——————————————-
    So….

    “Manee sees many varieties of delicious fruit. There are rambutan, longan, and sugar apples. and Manee asked Mom to buy rambutan.”

    That’s OK.

  10. Josh says:

    Nick,

    Thank you for helping out. “Thai sense” is something I don’t think I’ll ever completely get, so having you and others who are much better at it than I am will be a great help to me and my blog readers. Part three is coming soon!

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